well maybe you're not american, i'm not sure if pinkbike auto enters your country or not. i just can't believe someone so retarded lives anywhere near me, because i've never heard so much retarded bullshit. what the hell does anything we're talking about have to do with nascar. sorry to get back on topic but all i really want is a comparable way to measure cockpit length. this is the only way, with out a bunch of crap in the way. let me guess though, you probably had one of your awesome norco hardtails with a monster t and a 24 inch rear wheel didn't you? those were good times eh? You're a tool for sure

well f*ck head. i'm glad to see its gone and become totally retarded. You talk to me like i'm an idiot. well, as much as you'd like to believe that. i'm not. I'm starting to be totally sure that you actually are though. Actually i was sure from the start, but i'm even more sure now. the scenario you've explained is absolutely ridiculous. If your so smart, then what the f*ck are you doing putting a fork that is too short for the bikes intended use, and a wheel that the bike was clearly not designed for? your idea makes no sense. So lets be reasonable. whatever frame you choose, they're all pretty much intended for a certain style of fork and one wheel size. On a dh bike. changing from a fox 40 to a boxxer to a totem or a 888, isn't gonna change the dimension much. And NOBODY runs 24 inch wheels on bikes these days, nor are any bikes intended to be run with a mix of wheel sizes. the geometry is intended to be understood, with the intended set up, which to most people i know is quite obvious. if you want to be all retarded and start putting six inch fork and 24 inch rear wheels on your bike that isn't meant for it then go ahead. and so you think aptos is the center of the mountain bike world? just because a bunch of dirt jumpers live there. Temecula? i don't give a f*ck where you're from, i'm just glad you don't live anywhere near me, except if you did, we could all laugh at you for obviously being the biggest dumbass around. but your obviously american, i'm sure of that, because you think the whole world revolves around you somehow. so it's decide then? you're an idiot. OK i'm glad we can finally agree on something

I wouldn't say I side with the group on PINKBIKE, I would say I side with my own educated opinions.... You are exactly right in quoting, "none of us are as dumb as all of us".

you're a retard man. you can have all the doubts you want about my position in the bicycle industry, but it's definitely nothing like what you think it is. And considering that this pinkbike shit is NOT professional in any way and used mostly by idiots like you, and people like me who want idiots like you to realize they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. I don't exactly feel that i need to conduct myself in any sort of professional way. Believe me though, i can. so you're honestly telling me that a no bullshit way of knowing the cockpit size of your bike is of no use to you? are you really telling me that you'd rather use geometry (which i'm very capable of using myself, but would rather not) to figure out how one bike compares to another. If you can't see the value in this, then you should seriously consider that you may be just a little too narrow minded to hold a job in the area of expertise that you so choose to profess being versed in. oh and where do you live? oh thats right, NOT in the epicenter of modern mountain biking. Well, thats where i live. and i've managed to do a pretty good job using that to my advantage in becoming a useful part of the bike industry. But you're right it's an industry filled with bullshit. But you've got it a little wrong, you're part of the problem. I'm just here trying to make sure someone stands up against it.

@bigtard-I have strong doubts that any company would staff a professional job with someone who appears to handle themselves in such an unprofessional manner. I say this because it is actually part of my job to seek out/evaluate new technology and ideas. Being surrounded by people in the innovation/critical thinking business has refined my ability to distinguish fact from bullshit. Let's just say that my bullshit meter is pegged often on pinkbike and in the cycling industry in general. And one such instance was the ‘press release’ by transition bikes. While I don’t expect everyone to see through hype, I can generally recognize when a press release has many parallels to another type of release all over the press’ collective face-with many of the sheep among us lapping it up hungrily. Bon apetite! Hope you get your fill.

f*ck you pal. i've been riding bikes since i could walk, and i've ridden bikes professionally, and have also been a big part in the r+d of some of the most successfull bike companies in the world. effective top tube length doesn't have an exact relation to the actual size of your bike. the two points of contact for how big your bike feels. your hands and your feet. thats what matters, you can put your seat wherever the f*ck you want seat angle depending. but its the position of your hands and feet that decide the size of your bike. stop being stupid and wise up.

Sounds good. Let me know when you get to that level.

When I need to know about ABC, 123, and red-blue-yellow I will call on you. Until then, Happy New Years to you to chap.